Too much democracy?
Americans are ill-equipped for the role that modern democracy imposes on us
By Barry Gordon 06/10/2010
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prop 203 not 213
Ramon, the "facts" you say I need to "get straight" are yours, not mine. First, the "unnecessary" property tax assessment you refer to is a characterization without justification. Who determines what's "necessary"? You? Apparently, the 54% who voted for Measure CC believed that a small parcel tax to provide additional resources for schools WAS necessary. Why should the opinion of the 47% who decided it was "unnecessary" prevail?
Second, I don't think I said we should eliminate the initiative process entirely. But surely you can't deny that many, if not most, initiatives are put forward by special interest groups and, only in rare circumstances, by "the people." Often, they are the personal gripes of legislators who didn't get their way through the normal legislative process. I"m simply suggesting that the use of the process should not be so routine and should truly be "for the people" when all else fails, as the Progressive movement leaders clearly intended.
I'm not sure what your political background and knowledge might be, so I won't presume to criticize it. But before you criticize me for lack of knowledge, I strongly suggest you read Locke, Montesquieu, maybe Plato and Aristotle, and the Federalist Papers. Then we can talk.
Jesus on a bike!
Be careful Ramon how you criticize all those self-absorbed professorial types such as Mr. Gordon, or they'll whip out their dusty bag of books by long dead Greeks and Frenchmen and bore you to death with proclamations about how they think it happened in the past.
To me, Mr Gordon's primary disqualifier as an insightful ideologue revealed itself when he emphasized America's "democracy" but wholly ignores what the Federalist Papers authors (primarily Alexander Hamilton) sought to create (by way of a democratic consensus) ... that being a (Constitutional) REPUBLIC, first.
You see, America's Founding Fathers liked making it hard for the flip side of a marginal majority to easily oppress less popular minorities (with the white, male, monied class being one of their preferred choices of minority protection).
As it turns out, Proposition 13's three quarter requirement has produced the collateral effect of preventing the bureaucratic aristocracy of California government from as easily financing their most comfortable lifestyles on the backs and through the bank accounts of the State's property owners.
While it's obvious that Ramon has a point, Mr. Gordon can't quite seem to admit as much.
DanD
Mr. Gordon, you ask in reference to the super-marjority required to pass the parcel tax, "Why should the opinion of the 47% who decided it was "unnecessary" prevail?"
Any high school student who pays attention in Government class knows that super majorities did not begin with Prop 13 and that it is required under certain circumstances in both state and federal legislative bodies. Furthermore, high school seniors who pay attention know that the objective of super majority requirements is to prevent the "tyranny of the majority" which results in oppression of minority interests.
YOU Mr. Gordon are the one who should read the Federalist Papers and John Stuart Mill, because you obviously don't understand these elementary concepts.
And puhleez, throwing around names such as Locke, Montesquieu, Plato and Aristotle demonstrates not your knowledge, but your lack thereof.
It is astonishing and troublesome that Barry Gordon is a professor of political science at a publicly funded state university. This article and the one he wrote last week demonstrate that he is either forgetful of or unaware of certain political facts and points. First, Gordon writes last week that the 2/3 majority passed by the voters under Prop 13 should be eliminated in order to ensure easier passage of additional property tax assessments and that the ability to do so with a simple majority is a fundamental principle of democracy. Now, this week he is arguing that direct democracy exercised through the initiative process is flawed because only corporate sponsored initiatives are placed on the ballot.
Okay, Barry Gordon, where have you been?
Prop 13 was passed by the PEOPLE to limit out of control property taxes and make it more difficult with the 2/3 majority requirement, to burden property owners with additional, unnecessary property tax assessment.
Prop 213 was passed by the PEOPLE to limit INSURANCE COMPANIES from GOUGING consumers. It resulted in insurance rate regulation which lowered auto and other insurance rates.
The Living Wage Initiative of the 1990s increased the state minimum wage because the anti-worker Wilson administration was dismantling worker wage and overtime protections through the Wilson appointed Industrial Welfare Commission.
These three initiatives were passed by the people and were ultimately were for the people's benefit.
Gordon, get your facts straight or go back to acting.